I'm not a Philly or McNabb fan, per se, but I don't get all you people saying McNabb had a "horrible" game! The guy passed for 3 TDs and over 300 yards against arguably the best defense in the league. Yes, the 3 INTs probably did the Eagles in, but without McNabb they wouldn't have even been in the game.
This reminds me of an NBA player scoring 40 points but missing 2 free throws at the end of the game to lose by 1 point, and everyone saying he "cost" them the game. Maybe he did, but it probably wouldn't have even been close without his play. Armchair quarterbacks have all the answers after the fact. I guess you guys should have been the starting QB for the Eagles.
This reminds me of an NBA player scoring 40 points but missing 2 free throws at the end of the game to lose by 1 point, and everyone saying he "cost" them the game. Maybe he did, but it probably wouldn't have even been close without his play. Armchair quarterbacks have all the answers after the fact. I guess you guys should have been the starting QB for the Eagles.
Most of those yards came in the second half, when Ne was up by ten! Basically mcnabb created five turnovers, one he got lucky his knee was down. The guy is soooo dumb that after he throws a pick, gets a fortunate defensive holding call on the other side of the field, the very next play he throws another pick, nice floater in the redzone. Terrible, he's just lucky he has a great offensive line!
Actually trent dilfer threw only one pick in four playoff games, when he led the second rated defence to the super bowl. I'll take that anyday, considering plunket threw 3ints and Elway 2ints in their wildcard superbowl championship runs, not bad at all. Again this is a good case where the media overhyped the ravens D and dilfer was crucified in the media, when he did a good job in the playoffs!
Dilfer did a good job of not turning the ball over, and he did get overlooked and screwed in the whole deal. But Dilfer didn't (and can't) put up the numbers McNabb did or create something out of a broken play.
I guess it comes down to personal preference....a steady QB who will not make anything extraordinary happen, or a volatile playmaker who can scramble out of trouble and put up great numbers but also increase the risk of turnovers.
IMHO, a QB who threw for 122 yards and zero TDs and turned the ball over 3 times against an average defense SUCKS! A QB who threw for 326 yards and 3 TDs against the Patriots defense, but ALSO threw 3 INTs, played very well but hurt his team with untimely turnovers. There is a big difference between making a few mistakes while playing well and SUCKING altogether.
I guess it comes down to personal preference....a steady QB who will not make anything extraordinary happen, or a volatile playmaker who can scramble out of trouble and put up great numbers but also increase the risk of turnovers.
IMHO, a QB who threw for 122 yards and zero TDs and turned the ball over 3 times against an average defense SUCKS! A QB who threw for 326 yards and 3 TDs against the Patriots defense, but ALSO threw 3 INTs, played very well but hurt his team with untimely turnovers. There is a big difference between making a few mistakes while playing well and SUCKING altogether.
True but, alot of mcnabbs yards came towards the end, when the pats eased up a bit. Took too long to drive, he just took what the pats gave him. He does sometimes make something out of nothing, but I prefer someone throwing the ball away than taking a sack or running. I just can't get over his back to back picks in the redzone. Man the guy got a second chance when the penalty was called and still threw a dead duck for a pick, the very next play!
Yeah, and he did the same thing in the first half, too! No question his mistakes cost them the game. But unlike many others, I won't say that he "sucks" because of those mistakes. He can play very well, and he can obviously make mistakes, but he doesn't "suck" IMO. To tell you the truth, he kept them within 7, which was all that mattered to me!
I guess I'm hyper-sensitive anytime Joe Schmoe criticizes an athlete or coach.
Unless Joe Schmoe is an ex-NFL player, he probably doesn't know what it's like to compete at that level and have to make split-second decisions under unimaginable pressure with the whole world watching.
NFL coaches have FORGOTTEN more about the game of football than Joe Schmoe will ever hope to know. It's easy for Joe to "Monday morning quarterback" his way to victory after the fact and criticize everything that happened on the field.
I guess my point is, if Joe Schmoe knows so much about football or could do any better on the field, then why isn't his arse out there doing it? Joe Schmoe needs to exercise a little humility and realize that he is not as smart as he thinks he is.
Unless Joe Schmoe is an ex-NFL player, he probably doesn't know what it's like to compete at that level and have to make split-second decisions under unimaginable pressure with the whole world watching.
NFL coaches have FORGOTTEN more about the game of football than Joe Schmoe will ever hope to know. It's easy for Joe to "Monday morning quarterback" his way to victory after the fact and criticize everything that happened on the field.
I guess my point is, if Joe Schmoe knows so much about football or could do any better on the field, then why isn't his arse out there doing it? Joe Schmoe needs to exercise a little humility and realize that he is not as smart as he thinks he is.
What the heck is all the fuss about what Rush Limbaugh said 2 years ago.. Mcnabb is a good quarterback that happens to be black. Who cares what his skin color is or isnt its all about the wins.... The media was all over themselves hoping that Rush was proven wrong... Why? Is it because they want to promote him as a Black QB? Come on guys grow up! Who cares what was said in poor judgement, please stop proving what was said with all your comments.. Give praise where is belongs, becasue talent is all that we should be judged by.....
and if your a chick, maybe the size of your rack....:lolBIG: go daddy
and if your a chick, maybe the size of your rack....:lolBIG: go daddy
hansen bros. said:
IMO,
I do not think Limbaugh and McNabb have anything to do with McNabb's performance, and Gannon had one of the alltime worst games in the SB, and I think he was still regaurded as a good QB. Mc Nabb is a very good QB, the problem is he has not spent enough time on accuracy, even though he has been around awhile, he needs some coaching on mechanics to accuracy.
The thing that gets my goat on all the McNABB talk, and his QB skills, and what Limabugh said. I AM SHOCKED......not shocked because people have to make the black QB thing, even when it does not matter
SHOCKED.....BECAUSE
.....randall cungingham COULD NOT HOLD MCNABBS wrist band, jock, and any other thing you can find
but I do not seem to remember him catching this much flack, when he was nothing more than a parking lot chucker and runner ( WHO I LOVED TO WATCH, but never respected his QB skills)
SO can someone help me here. Randall Cungingham was like evryones sweetheart. Is everyone taking out there frustration with Randall on McNabb???
I need COUNSELING!!!! NEWPORT
Great point, Newport! I actually thought about this earlier as well. I think the difference with Cunningham was that he TOTALLY relied on his athleticism to win, much like many NCAA quarterbacks do. No one really expected too much from Cunningham because they didn't think he had the mind or patience to be a true NFL general on the field. (Had nothing to do with his race, either.)
McNabb is a great athlete, but he has also demonstrated that he can be a pocket passer, audible against certain defensive sets, control the tempo of games, and many other things that a true NFL QB does. So, ironically, since McNabb has demonstrated some thinking ability along with physical ability, people expect more from him and come down harder on him.
Also, people don't expect much from losing teams. Since Philly is now in the hunt every year, people expect more from every player, but especially the QB.
McNabb is a great athlete, but he has also demonstrated that he can be a pocket passer, audible against certain defensive sets, control the tempo of games, and many other things that a true NFL QB does. So, ironically, since McNabb has demonstrated some thinking ability along with physical ability, people expect more from him and come down harder on him.
Also, people don't expect much from losing teams. Since Philly is now in the hunt every year, people expect more from every player, but especially the QB.
Newport....thank you.
The only reason DM is bashed to the extent that he is is that a hardcore conservative radio host with millions of fans whacked McNabb on national TV...Had it never been said this discussion wouldn't even be here. In fact, some of these people would not even use the word overrated to describe him, (nor had they ever thought it before) but once their fat drug-induced leader said it, the flood gates were open...
Like I said in another post...had Limbaugh said it about McNair or any other good black quarterback, and he would have said it had the Titans been playing that monday night, these same people would be bashing McNair.
Randall Cunningham was a good story. He was a horrible quarterback.
The only reason DM is bashed to the extent that he is is that a hardcore conservative radio host with millions of fans whacked McNabb on national TV...Had it never been said this discussion wouldn't even be here. In fact, some of these people would not even use the word overrated to describe him, (nor had they ever thought it before) but once their fat drug-induced leader said it, the flood gates were open...
Like I said in another post...had Limbaugh said it about McNair or any other good black quarterback, and he would have said it had the Titans been playing that monday night, these same people would be bashing McNair.
Randall Cunningham was a good story. He was a horrible quarterback.
El Iguana said:
Thanks for some rationale acceptance to my thinking. I mean they were booing this guy on drafy day, now I know all Northeast teams boo their draftpicks on draft day, but I can never rememeber a Philly fan bashing Randall, when anyone watching football knew he was taking that team anywhere. Where is sportsbet, we need his rationale as well. thanks
NEWPORT
WC Bias said:
Well let me add this as well, McNair co-mvp two years ago was more of a token award for him, then deserved. WHAT REAL FOOTBALL FAN WOULD NTO TAKE MCNABB OVER MCNAIR IN A SECOND. Hey loook, all QB's make mistakes, and I know McNabb gets emotional with the best of them, and he does still need some coaching, BUT WITH OUT A DOUBT HE IS IN THE TOP 5 OF DESIRED QB'S IN THIS LEAGUE. If McNabb were on the Giants, the Cowboys, or the Redskins, these teams would possibly make the playoffs, or at least be close. He makes that much of a difference. Can you say the same for others, can you say the same for McNair NO NO NO. What about the Ravens if they had McNabb, OH MY!!!!
SO BACK OFF MCNABB, I would take him in a heartbeat, and I would hope he could play for ten more years..........Take his athleticism and his in shape body, and tell me where the problem is. I tell you this whole McNabb thing has me fired up!!! I would shake his hand in a second and say ....y0our a class act, a role model, a winner, a good qb that can be great, and a PLEASURE TO MEET YOU!!!
Maybe next year
Newport, Eagles look poised to be even stronger next year. If they can develop a little more consistent running game, watch out! McNabb will have his day in the sun. The only thing that bothers me is the odds of a team making it to the conference championship game 5 years in a row....must be pretty slim, statistically speaking. Has this ever happened?
WC Bias, you have an excellent point about Rush bringing McNabb's ability into the limelight. Kind of like Dan Quayle and the "Potatoe" incident. Had that not been all over the news for weeks, and had Jay Leno not brought it up every night, no one would have thought much of Quayle. But suddenly, due to all the negative publicity, Quayle had the stigma of being "stupid." The guy is probably smarter than 99% of the people in the U.S., but he made one boneheaded goof that got played 10,000 times on the news, and now he's an "idiot." If Rush hadn't said anything about McNabb, most people would think he was a great QB who made a few mistakes in the big show and not ever even think of the term "overrated" on their own since it had not been drummed into their sub-conscience for months.
Newport, Eagles look poised to be even stronger next year. If they can develop a little more consistent running game, watch out! McNabb will have his day in the sun. The only thing that bothers me is the odds of a team making it to the conference championship game 5 years in a row....must be pretty slim, statistically speaking. Has this ever happened?
WC Bias, you have an excellent point about Rush bringing McNabb's ability into the limelight. Kind of like Dan Quayle and the "Potatoe" incident. Had that not been all over the news for weeks, and had Jay Leno not brought it up every night, no one would have thought much of Quayle. But suddenly, due to all the negative publicity, Quayle had the stigma of being "stupid." The guy is probably smarter than 99% of the people in the U.S., but he made one boneheaded goof that got played 10,000 times on the news, and now he's an "idiot." If Rush hadn't said anything about McNabb, most people would think he was a great QB who made a few mistakes in the big show and not ever even think of the term "overrated" on their own since it had not been drummed into their sub-conscience for months.
